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School Committee Approves $15.54M Budget
The City Council's Finance Committee, Alan Marden, left, Chairman Michael Bloom and David Bond attended the School Committee's public hearing on the school budget for fiscal 2012. School Committee members John Hockridge and Vice Chairwoman Heather Boulger are to the left. |
NORTH ADAMS, Mass. — In a joint meeting on Tuesday night, the School Committee approved and the Finance Committee recommended a fiscal 2012 school budget of $15.54 million that includes reductions in staffing but no program cuts.
"In order to get to that number we had to cut upwards to a $1 million all from this budget," said Superintendent James M. Montepare, despite contractual agreements such as heating and busing that usually increase. "In putting this budget together I don't believe we have compromised any of our existing programs ... [but] we are to the bone at this point in time."
Cuts through attrition and job elimination include a special education post and teaching support staff in the elementary grades that were no longer needed; a Spanish teacher shared by the elementary school that will be replaced in part by the introduction of a world cultures curriculum in the English language arts program; a Title 1 director and a technology director.
The two administrative positions are being replaced by divvying up some of their responsibilities and creating two lead posts with stipends. Montepare said some $120,000 in administrative staff was cut but a teacher was saved.
Also cut were a custodian position, three paraprofessionals and two teaching assistants. There were a total of 11 retirements, some which will be replaced by younger — and cheaper — teachers.
The teachers have restored $90,000 by returning a 1 percent raise for next year. Some $816,000 in banked school choice funds will be used in two $360,000 allocations over the next two years against the salary account. Montepare said it was easier to do that than shift the money to separate programs. What's left will be set toward special education needs.
"All in all I think we were able to keep our programs intact and we shuffled a lot of funding around to continue to support special education and classroom teachers," said Superintendent James Montepare. "I'm estimating we are probably about $340,000 or $350,000 above foundation."
School Committee member William G. Schrade Jr. said cutting to foundation level would decimate the school system. |
Mayor Richard Alcombright, chairman of the School Committee, said the budget's proximity to the foundation level, the amount of education spending mandated by the state, complicates the scenario should the Proposition 2 1/2 vote fail in two weeks. "We're limited to what we can cut because we can't cut below minimum."
The administration has identified about $1 million in possible cuts from the school system, ranging from closing the Johnson Alternative Program to instituting fees for sports and extracurricular activities should the $1.2 million override fail.
With the Prop 2 1/2 vote two weeks away, Finance Committee member Alan Marden asked if any more cuts could be made now as a gesture similar to the City Council cutting its stipend.
"If we could send a small message tonight to help that vote go the right way, I think you ought to consider that," he said. "All I ask you is to try to find some few places to cut ... if you don't send that message I just worry about two weeks from now."
School Committee Vice Chairwoman Heather Boulger said she went "over this with a fine-tooth comb trying to find some place to cut ... the work of the principals, the administration and the [school] finance commitee to even come up with a budget that's $233,000 less than the current budget is amazing itself."
School Committee member William G. Schrade Jr. expressed concern that school budget has been taking the hit for years as it maintained almost level funding. "We're up maybe 1 percent – that doesn't even cover our fixed costs," he said. "[For the last] five years we've had an increase of 1 percent but we're losing 7 or 9 percent."
Montepare said some $4 million had been slashed over past four years. The Finance Committee voted to recommend the budget as it stood.
The mayor will present the school and city budgets at the next City Council meeting on June 14. The city is required to submit a balanced budget to the state by June 30. Should the override fail, Alcombright said "we'll have to go back to the drawing board."
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Finally the Mayor understands the most you can cut from the school budget if 2 1/2 fails is $350,000. So much for his scare tactics of 1.3 million in cuts he has been throwing around. Sports gone, art gone, music gone, drama gone, the Mayor should be ashamed of himself for doing what he did. Notice what Montepare said he has $720,000 that can be shifted if override fails. Also don't forget that more school choice money will be coming in next year which the Mayor probably forgot to tell everyone. What is amazing is the school committee looks about as knowledgeble as the City Council. | |
from: bottom line | on: 06-07-2011 |
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If you were paying attention, you would realize that the budget is already slashed from just a couple weeks ago and that the party raise issue gave an additional $ 90k in breathing room. But that would require you being honest with the facts and the context of time. I don't know if you are intentionally playing games, or if you don't understand the process and sincerely believe that you are being lied to. It doesn't really matter. The cuts are real, whether they happen pre override or post. Your interpretation of them doesn't make them easier to swallow. | |
from: Bottom dweller | on: 06-07-2011 |
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The mayor has shown a total of $1.13 million in items that can be cut should the override fail because he doesn't want anyone to claim something that is cut wasn't mentioned before. And NO, there isn't $720,000 that can be moved if the override fails. That is being used prior to the override to make the budget work. $360,000 for salaries this year along with $200,000 for special ed students in residential programs. Another $360,000 will be used next year. | |
from: People need to pay attention | on: 06-08-2011 |
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I noticed Montepare's office and the business office has actually added money to their budget. So much for all of us bearing the burden. I'll be interested to see if any of these "non-union" employees in the school system take the 2 week furlough the Mayor has proposed if 2 1/2 fails. Somehow I doubt it. | |
from: Just me | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Why can't we separate out the override vote? Instead of asking for the $1.2 mil as a lump sum, we could make it 3 or 4 ballot questions whose sum equals $1.2 mil? I think this would allow people who want to spend $300-400K to keep the school budget funded the ability without passing the entire measure. | |
from: Options | on: 06-08-2011 |
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The mayor and some city counsel members are deliberately misleading the voters of North Adams. Look at the Mayor's Prop 2 1/2 over ride statement on the city's website - there's a graph illustrating the cuts - looks like we're down to nothing in aid, but if you look at it closely, it's actually only part of the graph: it shows only the cut portion not what we're actually getting in aid. Very frightening until you look more closely than those who prepared it would like you to. | |
from: Not Fooled | on: 06-08-2011 |
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It sounds like the schools did their part. Now if other city financed payroll could cut a bit from their budgets, no prop 2 1/2 will be needed. GOOD NEWS! not doom and gloom | |
from: no need for more taxes | on: 06-08-2011 |
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To bottom line: you are obviously entitled to your opinion, but please get you facts straight. The mayor spoke of $1.1M where cuts could come from... Non-core education. That's where the cuts will come from. All along he has said it will cut $400-$600k... Now that the budget is presented we see it's $350k. You obviously have no idea what cutting $350k from our schools would look like. To the choice reserve funds... Since we are already using that money for this year, we are legally obliged to set the same amount aside for next... I think $250. Then we are going to need it for residential placement... The info is in th eTranscript article. | |
from: NA res | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Now that we now that have School reserves to use, (confirmed by Councilor Boucher on his tv show last night, thank you caller for asking that question) and know the Mayor was scaring everyone, below is what I would propose be cut which proves we DO NOT need an over-ride. Simple Logic $700,000 School Reserve $70,000 Comm of Public Safety $50,000 From Cemetary salaries (supplemented by inmate labor) $40,000 From Council on Aging salaries (will have to combine jobs, reduce services) $100,000 City Reserve Account $60,0000 From Health Inspection Services salaries (will have to combine jobs) $180,000 From Highway Dept salaries (will have to combine jobs) There you have it. $1.2 million. Look at the budget, there are of course other ways to do this, this is simply one logical example. NO OVER-RIDE IS NEEDED. | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Wow, 2 hours with no arguement. Nice. Guess you cannot argue with facts! Where oh where are the tax hikers now? | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Can someone outline who is on the city payroll and how much it costs for each dept and how many people for each? example: Schools - how many employees - budget $ same for city hall, fire, police, city yard, councilors, health, cementary, etc - Maybe the voters should all take a look at the budget to see what their paying for | |
from: Just wondering | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: Both budgets are available in the sidebar. They do not show total number of personnel but the school system employs the largest by far, which is not unusual. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Simple, that is an excellent post. Can anyone who knows Mr. Cardimino please get that to him, he could use the info to state at the next meeting and keep voters informed to VOTE NO | |
from: Jim S | on: 06-08-2011 |
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How many times can a single override opponent post with different names? There is one person posting most of the above comments, pretending to be multiple people. Maybe this site should require registration. And get rid of the agree/disagree, because that is completely manipulable. If you don't believe me, I run the agrees with this comment up to 20 in the next couple minutes just to demonstrate how easy it is. | |
from: Ugh | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: This site is seriously considering registration. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
I would like to see the mayor or anyone else who wants to raise my taxes debate what Simple Logic says. As you can see the money IS there. So stop going after my pocketbook | |
from: Property Owner | on: 06-08-2011 |
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I was originally for the over-ride, but now I am against it. It appears that the mayor has been mis-leading all along. Funds can be used elsewhere, and not just from the school | |
from: Former Teacher | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Ugh, how do you know it is one person. Perhaps there are many more like minded people out there, and this just confirms you are in the minority. | |
from: No Hike | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Ugh, refute my post...come one! You simply think that you and mayor dick can spend my money better than I can.....this proves you cannot | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Just curious to person who mentioned if the non union employees will take the 2wk furlough. Why should a non union employee have that forced upon them but a union employee doesnt just because they are unionized ?? Aint they ALL city employees. Non union employees havnt gotten a raise since July 1st 2009 and most are the lowest salaries in the city govt. | |
from: My2Cents | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: Because they are unionized they have a contract with the city; contracts cannot be broken without legal repercussions. Secondly, most of the union employees work in the schools, police and fire, which would make it difficult, but not impossible, to give them two-week furloughs. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
"There is one person posting most of the above comments, pretending to be multiple people. Maybe this site should require registration." How exactly do you know this, ugh? And if it's so, how do we know whether you are posting under a dozen names in favor of the override? If you can actually prove that the same person is using ALL of the other aliases, tell us how you did that? I have not posted once yet on this topic, but I bet you'll also claim I'm one and the same and that somehow only one voter in the city is opposed to the override. As the editor has repeatedly said, we will know who wins this debate on June 21st. | |
from: | on: 06-08-2011 |
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@Simple You are another one who has no idea what you are talking about. Your numbers are based on a complete and total lack of understanding of what things cost. To start, when you lay someone off, you have to pay into the unemployment insurance fund, which will cost you about a third of the salary. And there are many other things, like the health dept that you don't even begin to grasp. @No Hike I won't tell you all my secrets, but I do understand how the internet, and specifically this commenting software works. So please stop it. | |
from: Ugh | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Ugh, sadly you do not understnad. My knowledge comes from speaking with a CITY COUNCILOR. Yes you have to pay-umemployment, but if you look at my numbers it is about $330k in salaries, so say about 110k in unemployment. We get that from sale of land. And this is one option. You have to admit that there are other options that raising taxes that work. Over-ride will fail, and you cannot refute this will work | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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@Simple You don't understand what taking the reserve accounts to zero will trigger. If the override fails, we will have to slash far more than you have listed to avoid risking default and bankruptcy. And we will agree that some city councilors are brighter than others, but we will disagree which ones, especially those who are being spoon fed their information by a resident of Corinth St. Consider yourself refuted. | |
from: Ugh | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Ugh, that is pathetic. When the over-ride fails, I just paid for the over-ride. It's called math. You are such an un-informed elitist. | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: People have been courteous for most the part on this very divisive issue. Let's not start with the name-calling. And what is an elitist around here anyway? It's a silly, meaningless term. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
If you can live in a town called Politics, I welcome you to move there. I live in North Adams; it's nice. I was born and raised here. In North Adams, it's like $17-20 more a month if Prop 2 1/2 passes. Personally, I stop at the gas station too often to buy coffee on the way to work. I would make it at home to deal with the increase. Its a small price to pay for city/school services and jobs. If you can live in a town called Politics your probably magic but more likely mad. There's barely any tax, your kids get a great education, and the streets are perfectly plowed. Your not ashamed when your kids and their teachers disagree with you because its your politics, how could you be wrong. They'll learn when they get a little older. They'll figure out that $20 dollars more a month would put you on the street and that there's always secret magic money hidden somewhere. My first response to new taxes is always "No thanks." Self-reliance, personal freedom, and small government ring as ideals for me. I can relate to the VOTE NOers, in fact that's were I started when it was proposed. We should be proud of our ingrained, New England tendency to be stubborn but traditionally it is coupled with practicality. | |
from: me | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Ok Editor.....but since you asked...an Elitist is a person who believes they know how to spend my money better than I do, and want to use the children (i.e. school cuts) as a shield to get more moeny out of me. | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: OK, anyone who disagrees with you. Gotcha. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Oh editor.....its clear where you stand. Not anyone who disagrees...just anyone who disagrees, yet cannot present MONETARY FACTS AND ARGUEMENTS as to why they disagree with cutting services I have outlined as opposed to raising taxes. | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: That's not what you said and my "stand" is that North Adams citizens should know what they're voting on when they go to the polls. There are good arguments on both sides, and there are people setting out monetary facts against cuts, and for them. Having attended all but one Finance Committee meeting in the past two years, I have do have a good understanding of what the budget looks like. Maybe I saw you there? I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Okay, simple (a good name as you over simplify a solution to the budget shortfalls). The $700,000 "reserve" money you identify at the schools (which is really $800,000+) is School Choice money - $560,000 of that will be used in FY2012 if Prop 2.5 PASSES! An additional $360,000 will be used in the following year. None of that is available of Prop 2.5 vote fails. Believe the Comm of Public Safety position is already being eliminated; if so, no savings there. Cemetery salaries; another oversimplified solution. You eliminate that, you'll be the first to complain when the grass is three feet high and there's no one there to upkeep the stones and dig the graves. You won't supplement that work with inmates, and the prison support services don't come for free). Council on Aging salaries; don't know about this, but suspect that's a bare-boned funded city agency like the rest. Same with Health Inspection Services. $180,000 from Highway Dept; you've got to be kidding! That doesn't even deserve more of a response. "There you have it". 1.2 million just became something between 0 & $50,000. The override is DEFINITELY NEEDED! And so is some sanity, not over simplification. | |
from: Complex | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Complex, it's short for simple logic. Again, a city councilor has told me the 700k can be used when the over-ride fails. Next, reducing the cemetary salary the grass may get higher, but will get mowed. Trust me the folks there wont complain. Have you seen the budgets for Council on Aging and the Hwy dept.....we can definitely cut salaries there and combine jobs. Over-ride is not needed, please stay out of my wallet. | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: The $700,000 from the school-choice account has already been used by the School Committee. Technically, they have $360,000 allocated for FY2013 that could come into play. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Oh me... I knew it was only a matter of time before someone started the "only" campaign. Let's recap, shall we? The last tax increase "only" increased my taxes $240 a year. The water rate increase combined with the new sewer user fee "only" increased my water bill by another $100 a year. So far, I've "only" had to pay an additional $340 a year to the city. But the good news is, I now will "only" have to pay that extra $20 a month! So, now my total additional payment to the city is "only" about $600 a year more! Oh, and when the city comes at us for the debt exclusion for the school renovations, what will that "only" be? I can't afford your "only" increases any more. And you know what? You do have the option to donate money to the city if the override fails. I want to see just how many of you, like ugh, send a check for "only" $250 to the city on June 22nd as a donation! | |
from: MeOhMy | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor, not according to a city councilor. | |
from: Simple | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: Does the councilor mean there is another $700,000 out there? Because the School Committee voted last night on how to use the funds. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
The formal vote on the budget should come at the June28 meeting -after the override question is resolved---you know where the Mayor stands on this---why doesn't the Council show some LEADERSHIP and put a resolution-- for or against the override- on the Council floor for the June 14th meeting---remember they are in this too---and have examined the budgets so each Councilor should know where he or she stands---stand up or pay up | |
from: chbpod | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: Excellent point, professor. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Maybe somebody else used "Just me" unintentionally, but I can say that I not write the comment about Supt. Montepare. All that said, Simple is displaying an enourmous amount of ignorance regarding the budget, and I don't care if he got it from a city councilor. For that matter, I speak with different Councilors all the time and have a pretty good idea which two are basically clueless about this subject. One is in favor. One is opposed. The School Choice fund is already allocated. That money is not extra. If the override fails, then some things may be rejiggered to meet mandatory obligations first, but it won't change anything. Next year's revenue projections are guesses at best. North Adams gets about $5000 per choice student. If the override fails, I fully expect the number of outside students applying for choice into North Adams to drop. Also, the number of resident students opting out of the district will likely be higher, too. BART's enrollment is supposedly at capacity next year. Where do you think the extra kids came from? This will cause more state money to dry up. It's not simple. Not at all. | |
from: Just me | on: 06-08-2011 |
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meohmy, I'm not running a campaign. Also, why would I send a donation to the city if the override fails? My lone check wouldn't solve the problem. I want to reconcile the budget shortage, not give away my money. We can talk debt exclusion for school renovations when that comes back around, I wont be for it. | |
from: me | on: 06-08-2011 |
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But me... if you and all of your supporters send in their $250 checks, imagine how much money it will generate! I've made my point. When it's MY money, it's "only" a cup of coffee, but when it's YOUR money, it's "No sir, I won't give away my money!" I'm standing on my principle - I think we have paid enough over the last year through increase after increase after increase. If you really believe in your principle, that the city "needs" that $250 of yours and you don't need your cup of coffee... send in the check! | |
from: MeOhMy | on: 06-08-2011 |
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I've asked this question before of the editor, and if you've answered it in a previous story comment board and I missed it, I apologize. How many people in the city do not pay their taxes, both commercial and residential? And how much uncollected revenue is there in that category? I know some people just can't pay for legitimate reasons and then do make arrangements, but I also know some others who not only don't pay, but pretty much laugh at the city when they receive their "instrument of taking" on their property, which they say has no teeth whatsoever. | |
from: Dear Editor | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: I don't know how many are outstanding, but I believe the mayor said some $250,000 has been collected in the last year. That would have to be confirmed. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Ms. Boulger stated she went over this budget with a fine tooth comb. Did the Finance Committee use the same comb because that comb appears to be broken. Some of the numbers don't even add up or make sense. | |
from: Juste Moi | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: Which ones, please. Maybe we can answer your questions. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
meohmy, I don't have supporters. If prop 2 1/2 passes I will send in a check of $250 of MY money for services. Also I don't even know if you drink coffee, so I'm not talking about YOUR money. Not stopping at the gas station was literally a personal statement. That's why I started the sentence with the word personally. I'm a voter, so I'm voting. I'm not starting a grassroots donation movement. Had I said I was? Principal is great but sometimes you just can't stand on it; it's not land. | |
from: me | on: 06-08-2011 |
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There is a big problem with INSTRUCTION - TEACHING SERVICES. None of this adds up. Help me Tammy. I'm begging you. | |
from: Juste Moi | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: I don't understand where you're having a problem. Teaching services are only 2305 to 2340 - you're not adding in nonteaching services, are you? I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Go to each school and add 2305 to 2340. It doesn't match the number on page 1. Also Greylock School says that its down on item 2330 $21,319 from last year and its actually up $10,446.00 from last year. I think one of the problems lies with medical/therapeutic services. There is no such item in the Drury budget. Or its there and I'm going blind which is possible. Sorry to be a pain in the neck. I just want to understand this. | |
from: Juste | on: 06-08-2011 |
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Editor: No, you're absolutely right. There's something missing in here. I just added up Sullivan's teaching services three times and came up $15,000 less. A clerical slip in a macro can mess up a spreadsheet but there appear to be several points in the school sheets where they don't match up. Nice job! I get to make phone calls tomorrow. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
The Editor again just believes everything Alcombright says. Union employees can be put on furlough the same way as a non union employee. Proof, the State has been doing it for several years including State Tropers. More false statements by the Mayor and further proof that the press continues to help this guy mislead the public. I would suggest that the editor try to get the facts before assuming that the Mayor knows what he is talking about. | |
from: again | on: 06-09-2011 |
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Editor: The mayor hasn't said anything about union furloughs. Sheesh. I DID and I didn't say it was impossible, just difficult. There are a lot more state troopers than there are North Adams police officers, you know. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
It is like this Clark, the vote on the budget is June 21. In fact it is being presented to the full Council for the first time that night. Mr. Transparency has been giving the budget to the Finance Committee in bits and pieces before he presents the entire package. He has really screwed the process up. The Council should have reviewed and voted on the budget weeks ago before the Mayor went on his dog and pony show. The Mayor is playing his little games as usual and when the budget is passed it will show that he won't need 1.2 million. Just like he didn't know that he could only cut $350,000 from the school budget. Too bad your not still around as you could have a field day with this Mayor! | |
from: vote | on: 06-09-2011 |
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Editor: The vote on the budget is June 14. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
I defer to your info--but that is one of the dumbest things I ever heard of in the budget process--approve a budget based on the assumption that the override will pass----I seem to recall that the Mayor must present a balanced budget to the Council for approval---that budget is not balanced---pure and simple--unless he presents Plan B as a balanced budget--but Plan A is based on the override and that budget would not be balanced at the time of the June 14 meeting--maybe not the dumbest idea after all-- present Plan B as a balanced budget with all the cuts and use that as a scare tactic to get the override and if it passes re-submit Plan A at the meeting of the 28th | |
from: | on: 06-09-2011 |
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Hey me, if your money is being used to pay for raises for the unions, which it will be in an override, you are actually giving your money away. The dpw and teachers have "given back" the 1% they received, but not the additional raises they were just granted as part of their new contracts, and they will still get step raises, which are not part of the 1%. Shared sacrifice is something these unions do not believe in. We in the dreaded private sector know what sacrifice is in a recession, which by the way, we're still in. | |
from: NotMe | on: 06-09-2011 |
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Thank you, editor, for your response. Kudos to the city for collecting the $250,000 in back taxes. I'm still curious as to what's still owed. Pittsfield reported that nearly $4 million in back taxes were unpaid. North Adams by comparison would be much smaller, but might be over $1 million. I just find it hard to support another tax increase when I pay all of my taxes without question and some others don't and they lose nothing in the process. The individual I know who has not paid taxes in three years has instruments of taking on his four properties, but he has no intention of selling them, so the liens are meaningless right now. I'd love to see a placement here or in the Transcript by the city naming all individuals and companies that are in arrears and for how much. The light of day and sheer embarrassment will get some of them to pay up. | |
from: Dear Editor | on: 06-09-2011 |
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Editor: Posting names of tax delinquents has been considered by a number of towns in the past. They're always in the town reports in Vermont. Tax takings are long and complicated because they involve the court system, and you know how slow that moves. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
I agree with Dear Editor. It is hard to swallow voting for a 2 1/2 override knowing there are people that don't pay their taxes, their water, their excise, parking tickets etc. Then looking at the school budget I find numbers don't add up there either. Why on earth would I be willing to vote yes to pay more? By the way Tammy did you get any answers on the school numbers when you called? | |
from: Juste Moi | on: 06-09-2011 |
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Editor: Hey Just Moi, I was told the problem was the teachers' salary return was taken from the subcategories but not followed through to the totals on the copy they gave us. I've uploaded the updated budget and worksheets they sent. Have at them. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Thanks Tammy. I find it so hard to believe that no one on the School Committee, the Mayor, the Finance Committee and Jim Montepare's office never checked this document to make sure it was right before presenting the budget and then voting on it. People are trying to understand this process and make an educated decision on the override vote and this nonsense goes on it makes me wonder if I should trust these people. | |
from: Juste Moi | on: 06-09-2011 |
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Editor: I don't know if the packets given to us were the same as the School Committee's. Their finance committee has been working on it, too, so I would expect they had the more detailed - and hopefully updated - version. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
There seems to be a lot of straw grasping by the opponents of a healthy tax base. If you have to rationalize your vote against the override, rather than have an actual principle to stand behind, perhaps you should slow down and think about your reasons. (And if you are wondering if I am talking about you, that means I am.) | |
from: Just me | on: 06-09-2011 |
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Just Me sorry but you are wrong and attacking me does not make you right. I have spken with two councilors and they have confirmed the money is there when the override fails. Whoever is prividing you your info is wrong. Also on a different note does anyone know if the override meeting will be televised tonight | |
from: simple logic | on: 06-10-2011 |
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Editor: I have spoken with councilors who tell me there is no $700,000. Where is the money? Are you talking school choice or are you talking general government funds? And if it is reserve funds, then what happens next year? The hole that's been in the budget for the past four years isn't going to disappear unless the $700,000 is in cuts. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Ouch. That's going to leave a mark. | |
from: PWned | on: 06-10-2011 |
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If you have to rationalize voting for something without ever asking a question I'd call that a sheep. We did that for 26 years. (And if you are wondering if I am talking about you , that means I am.) | |
from: Juste Moi | on: 06-10-2011 |
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The nayor and I have something in common . He said he has given enough he doesn't feel he should give up any more. Well Me Too . VOTE NO !!!! | |
from: Wayne | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Editor, I believe the 700k being referenced is from the School Reserves...so we can use that...hence the term reserves. | |
from: Taxed Enough | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Editor: You can't use it. The School Committee has already used it to help offset $560,000 in cuts and expenses next year. All you have is $360,000 that has been allocated to the salary account for fiscal 2013. It's not there; it no longer exists. Plus, school choice funds (about $200K a year) can only be used within the school system. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Below are proposed cuts which would not require an over ride taken from existing published 2012 School and City budgets. Discuss? Two things to note..right now the Supt of Public Services is getting a 20k raise, and the Highway Dept has salaries for 5 laborers equaling $523k. Something doesnt smell right. Commissioner of Publice Safety: 20kHealth Inspection Part Time Transfer Station Salary (eliminate) $54,855 Trash Removal: Reduce by 50kPublic Services Supt of Public Services: Eliminate 20k raiseCemetary Reduce labor by 30k (supplement by comm service labor)Council on Aging Van Driver: Eliminate 53kHighway Dept: Reduce 5 Laborer salary. Current line is is 523k. Reduce by 262kCity Reserve Account Use 100kSchool Reserve Other Than Public School Account: Reduce by 631k Total is: $1200855 | |
from: Taxed Enough | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Cardimino is no expert on city finances. If he is worried about taxes he should downsize from his enormous lot up there. Ask him if he was part of the GE union that drove them out of the berkshires. That would make him an expert on trying to get more money for less work. Have him explain his background instead of ripping everyone else. | |
from: justaguy | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Justaguy, shame shame...no personal attacks here...suprised Editor did not catch this. | |
from: Taxed Enough | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Must not have kids in school. Would you like teachers to work for less, maybe you could donate your time to such an easy profession that makes so much money. You had a choice why on earth didn't you go into teaching so you could be rich and have an easy job. | |
from: justaguy | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Editor your so wrong. It is a game being played and your losing. The School Committee can vote to use that money to offset any loss of programs or anything else it wants to. The Mayor said he is keeping the unused money in case there are any overruns next year in the Special Education Account. What your now saying is that once again he is changing his story. Also, how can you allocate money down the road for salary increases when a budget hasn't been approved (Fy 13)? Sorry but this time your really out there. Call the state on this one because this is bull at its best and it is insulting to the taxpayers of North Adams. The money is not gone and if the override fails the School Committee can use those funds ($360,000)to save programs and NOT for pay raises in the future which is absurd. Of course the School Committee has not questioned one thing and from what I can see they are lacking in a lot of areas. How could they approve pay raises when they are cutting programs. I guess we know who they work for. | |
from: wrong | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Editor: The School Committee voted to use the funds last week. The overrun is in residential placement, which is special education. And I said the $360,000 could end up being used this coming fiscal year. Aren't you paying attention? Information on the usage of school-choice funds can be found here. The DOE states: "An appropriating body may not reduce the school operating budget below the amount required to meet the district's net school spending requirement with the expectation that school choice revenues will be available to make up the difference." I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
should have been a teacher then. You chose private sector.. Who is the fool here. | |
from: justaguy | on: 06-13-2011 |
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justaguy...those who can, do Those who cant, teach Those who cant teach, teach gym | |
from: Right | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Editor: All right, enough already. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Taxed Enough. The Editor does allow personal attacks on anyone that dares to speek out about the mayor. If the mayor said that black is white , then you would see a full web page in support of it. The city councilors would vote in the mayors favor and the finance committee would authorize 500,00 dollars for a propaganda campaign to try and convince the voters. The police , firemen , teacher would back the mayor all the way to the bargaining table. | |
from: Wayne | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Go back and read your statement. Choice money would be used for fy 13 salaries which begins on July 1, 2012! You should pay attention! | |
from: wrong | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Editor: Yes that is what is allocated for. And I said the $360,000 could end up being used this coming fiscal year. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |
Wrong is wrong. I think he is suggesting that the school could use all the funds anyway they like next year (they cant) and the city could then take the money "saved" in the general school budget and use it for non-education purposes. (Again, they can't because the money has to be used for related expenses and kept at certain level. It's to keep cities from playing three card monty with their ed budgets. It's a lot like the insurance issue where money that was supposed to clearly set aside for one purpose was used for another.) This is getting silly. The anti crowd is going to believe whatever makes them feel justified. Facts are irrelevant and anybody who opposes them is supposedly blind or stupid. Just say you don't want to pay more taxes no matter what. That's the only real argument that holds water. | |
from: Ugh | on: 06-13-2011 |
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Right cute little statements aside, if teaching is so easy why did you not do it. Right must have been self-educated no schooling at all. I'm not in support of any taxes, but to lay the blame on teachers and the DPW is wrong. They make up a large chunk of the working people in this city. I don't know all the facts and figures. They can type whatever they want into a spreadsheet. This community needs to come together and get creative in adding jobs and move forward. | |
from: justaguy | on: 06-14-2011 |
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Not bashing. I actually think he is good for the city. He raises alot of good quality arguments and points. I just think he needs to stop attacking and start offering solutions. I would like to know if he was part of the GE union. It would certainly muddy the waters if he was. | |
from: justaguy | on: 06-14-2011 |
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Didn't Mr. Cardimino promise to support the override if the teachers voted to return their raise? He spoke against it at the Council meeting. Apparently, he hates taxes but likes lying. | |
from: tax payer too | on: 06-14-2011 |
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Editor: Just because you vote for it doesn't mean you have to publicly support it. I Agree (0) - I Disagree (0) |